off-shore accoun

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?

I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.

Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

Hiram

2010-09-24 16:21:23 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.

He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

mike

2010-09-24 16:35:39 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.

The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at all,
they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates, names of the
bank or figures then they may get interested. The more info they have
the more likely your friend will own up when confronted.

Mike

Hiram

2010-09-26 09:33:57 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.

I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.

It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?

Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?

mike

2010-09-26 16:46:39 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.
I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.
It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?
Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/

The house in which you live is not considered savings, most commonly
property considered as savings belongs to people who have moved
permanently into a care home.

A pension is not considered savings for Pension Credit purposes (not
sure about IS/JSA) but you are expected to draw on it as early as you
can or it can be treated as notional income. That means the pension
entitlement is taken into account as though you are receiving it.

The information you have seems vague, without a bit more it's unlikely
they would even call him in. The fraud teams have standing warrants
which allow them to obtain financial info etc from UK institutions. If
he had the money in a Barclays UK account and moved it overseas they
would be able to see the UK end of the transaction.

If you know where the money was held and when it left the investigators
could get a copy of the statement and ask him to explain.

Mike

Hiram

2010-09-27 09:27:56 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.
I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.
It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?
Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/
The house in which you live is not considered savings, most commonly
property considered as savings belongs to people who have moved
permanently into a care home.
A pension is not considered savings for Pension Credit purposes (not
sure about IS/JSA) but you are expected to draw on it as early as you
can or it can be treated as notional income. That means the pension
entitlement is taken into account as though you are receiving it.
The information you have seems vague, without a bit more it's unlikely
they would even call him in. The fraud teams have standing warrants
which allow them to obtain financial info etc from UK institutions. If
he had the money in a Barclays UK account and moved it overseas they
would be able to see the UK end of the transaction.
If you know where the money was held and when it left the investigators
could get a copy of the statement and ask him to explain.
Mike

Unfortunately, I disagree with the rules on this one. I think a house
should be counted as saving. I'll concede on a pension - but if you
become unemployed, you should have to sell your house. I think the
rules as they stand are way too complex, personally, I think they need
to be simplified.

We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

Mike

2010-09-27 20:02:05 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.
I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.
It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?
Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/
The house in which you live is not considered savings, most commonly
property considered as savings belongs to people who have moved
permanently into a care home.
A pension is not considered savings for Pension Credit purposes (not
sure about IS/JSA) but you are expected to draw on it as early as you
can or it can be treated as notional income. That means the pension
entitlement is taken into account as though you are receiving it.
The information you have seems vague, without a bit more it's unlikely
they would even call him in. The fraud teams have standing warrants
which allow them to obtain financial info etc from UK institutions. If
he had the money in a Barclays UK account and moved it overseas they
would be able to see the UK end of the transaction.
If you know where the money was held and when it left the investigators
could get a copy of the statement and ask him to explain.
Mike

You don't know the half of how complex they are but I agree they are far
to complex.

Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

Post by Hiram
We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Not particularly, some benefits may be frozen which is pretty much all
he can do without legislation. I'm sure that they will talk tough but
legistlation would have to be passed to abolish or significantly change
benefits and there doesn't seem to be anything immediately on the cards.

As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.

What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.

IMO AA/DLA ha become a major con, whilst many peple who do get it need
it few use it to pay for care. All to often the taxpayer ends up
funding satelite TV, prezzies for the grandkids etc

Post by Hiram
I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?

Mike

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-28 07:17:32 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.
I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.
It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?
Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?

https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/benefitfraud/
The house in which you live is not considered savings, most commonly
property considered as savings belongs to people who have moved
permanently into a care home.
A pension is not considered savings for Pension Credit purposes (not
sure about IS/JSA) but you are expected to draw on it as early as you
can or it can be treated as notional income. That means the pension
entitlement is taken into account as though you are receiving it.
The information you have seems vague, without a bit more it's unlikely
they would even call him in. The fraud teams have standing warrants
which allow them to obtain financial info etc from UK institutions. If
he had the money in a Barclays UK account and moved it overseas they
would be able to see the UK end of the transaction.
If you know where the money was held and when it left the investigators
could get a copy of the statement and ask him to explain.
Mike

You don't know the half of how complex they are but I agree they are far
to complex.
Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Not particularly, some benefits may be frozen which is pretty much all
he can do without legislation. I'm sure that they will talk tough but
legistlation would have to be passed to abolish or significantly change
benefits and there doesn't seem to be anything immediately on the cards.
As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.
What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.
IMO AA/DLA ha become a major con, whilst many peple who do get it need
it few use it to pay for care. All to often the taxpayer ends up
funding satelite TV, prezzies for the grandkids etc

I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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DLA/AA may be used to pay for care. Maybe as much as 8 hours worth a
week - which isn't a lot of care. Maybe enough for help showering and
getting dressed in the morning 7 days a week.
Might be easier if the beenfit was folded into personalised budgets,
but can't see that happening any time soon - and not everyone benefits
from those budgets.
Just treated as general income, can be used for what they want.
Including the care component for taxis, the mobility component for
care holidays and so on.
Or spent on the Lottery each week.

Martin <><

Hiram

2010-09-29 07:41:29 UTC

Post by Mike
Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

OK, so you have a point on that one. But I still think we're way too
soft on some of this. There seems to be an 'entitlement' culture in
this country.

Post by Hiram
We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Well, we'll see what happens next month. There is an awful lot of
money to save, so they'll have to do something, or otherwise, we'll be
like Ireland. Personally, I think there is to be pain ahead.

Talking Ireland, The Treasury where over there recently getting ideas
- I think I'm right in saying Ireland has cut benefits across the
board by 10%.

Post by Mike
As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.

Yes, agreed

Post by Mike
What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.

Normally, I'd agree to that - but times are a little different now.

Post by Hiram
I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?

Sale of a house. And if he's smart enough, paid into an off-shore
account. He still should be caugh. But, it's how that bothers me.
Mind you, after what Lord Ashcroft did this week, maybe not.

Mike

2010-09-29 18:32:20 UTC

Post by Hiram
.

Post by Mike
Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

OK, so you have a point on that one. But I still think we're way too
soft on some of this. There seems to be an 'entitlement' culture in
this country.

Post by Hiram
We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Well, we'll see what happens next month. There is an awful lot of
money to save, so they'll have to do something, or otherwise, we'll be
like Ireland. Personally, I think there is to be pain ahead.
Talking Ireland, The Treasury where over there recently getting ideas
- I think I'm right in saying Ireland has cut benefits across the
board by 10%.

Post by Mike
As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.

Yes, agreed

Post by Mike
What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.

Normally, I'd agree to that - but times are a little different now.

Post by Hiram
I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?

Sale of a house. And if he's smart enough, paid into an off-shore
account. He still should be caugh. But, it's how that bothers me.
Mind you, after what Lord Ashcroft did this week, maybe not.

If you know the address and the date it was sold or will be that would
be useful - the DWP can get info from the land registry including who
owned it and sale price.

Your friend will then be asked what he's done with £xxx and prove it.
If he refuses then the DM can decide on balance of probability he has
the cash and take it into account on the claim, probably niling benefit
entitlement.

Mike

Hiram

2010-09-30 14:24:40 UTC

Post by Mike
Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

OK, so you have a point on that one. But I still think we're way too
soft on some of this. There seems to be an 'entitlement' culture in
this country.

Post by Hiram
We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Well, we'll see what happens next month. There is an awful lot of
money to save, so they'll have to do something, or otherwise, we'll be
like Ireland. Personally, I think there is to be pain ahead.
Talking Ireland, The Treasury where over there recently getting ideas
- I think I'm right in saying Ireland has cut benefits across the
board by 10%.

Post by Mike
As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.

Yes, agreed

Post by Mike
What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.

Normally, I'd agree to that - but times are a little different now.

Post by Hiram
I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?

Sale of a house. And if he's smart enough, paid into an off-shore
account. He still should be caugh. But, it's how that bothers me.
Mind you, after what Lord Ashcroft did this week, maybe not.

If you know the address and the date it was sold or will be that would
be useful - the DWP can get info from the land registry including who
owned it and sale price.
Your friend will then be asked what he's done with £xxx and prove it.
If he refuses then the DM can decide on balance of probability he has
the cash and take it into account on the claim, probably niling benefit
entitlement.

Oh course, I completely forgot about the land registry. It's all
online these days; I often check house prices in an area that way.

I guess he'd escape a fine, but the loss of benefits would be
sufficient.

mike

2010-09-30 17:06:43 UTC

Post by Hiram
.

Post by Mike
Expecting someone to sell their residence due to unemployment is
unreasonable and would leave many families homless and save the
taxpayers little or nothing in some cases.

OK, so you have a point on that one. But I still think we're way too
soft on some of this. There seems to be an 'entitlement' culture in
this country.

Post by Hiram
We'll see what happens next month, I have a feeling the rules are
likely to get a bit tougher.

Well, we'll see what happens next month. There is an awful lot of
money to save, so they'll have to do something, or otherwise, we'll be
like Ireland. Personally, I think there is to be pain ahead.
Talking Ireland, The Treasury where over there recently getting ideas
- I think I'm right in saying Ireland has cut benefits across the
board by 10%.

Post by Mike
As EVERY goverment announces "tough new rules" approximately every two
years and none ever really deliver I doubt this one will.

Yes, agreed

Post by Mike
What they do is create an illusion of toughness and opportunities for
private companies to 'help people back to work' and switch a few
thousand from one benefit/allowance to another.

Normally, I'd agree to that - but times are a little different now.

Post by Hiram
I don't think he'd be dumb enough to have an audit trail through a UK
bank. But, you never know.

If the money was overseas already then why would he talk about moving it
overseas?

Sale of a house. And if he's smart enough, paid into an off-shore
account. He still should be caugh. But, it's how that bothers me.
Mind you, after what Lord Ashcroft did this week, maybe not.

If you know the address and the date it was sold or will be that would
be useful - the DWP can get info from the land registry including who
owned it and sale price.
Your friend will then be asked what he's done with £xxx and prove it.
If he refuses then the DM can decide on balance of probability he has
the cash and take it into account on the claim, probably niling benefit
entitlement.

Oh course, I completely forgot about the land registry. It's all
online these days; I often check house prices in an area that way.

The DWP can go to direct the land registry and get pretty much chapter
and verse.

Post by Hiram
I guess he'd escape a fine, but the loss of benefits would be
sufficient.

Wow there, getting the DWP interested and sufficient evidence to adjust
benefit is one thing but prosecution is quite another matter!

Mike

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-27 07:09:18 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution,

I could give institution and rough quantities. And possibly the
currency involved. I only invest in Euro's and Dollars, I think he'd
be the same.
I'll be interested to see how the DWP go about investigating something
like this.
It would also be interesting to see how the law is written in regard
to savings. Insofar as, what constitutes savings. A house is an
asset, yet, that isn't counted I believe. A pension is an investment,
is that counted as saving?
Anyway. I will do some more digging. Do you have a number I can
phone if I get something more substantial?- Hide quoted text -
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Depending on how you look at it, a house you are living in can be a
liability rather than an asset. Only becoming an asset when sold.
A 2nd house is an asset as an income can be made from it.

Pensions are an odd area. For most it isn't treated as savings, though
once you start accessing it then the proceeds can be income. For the
few of us who run our own pension scheme, it is savings.
We lose the tax breaks but we do have access to the capital (and
income) while also controlling how and where it is invested.

Martin <><

Fredxx

2010-09-27 08:40:25 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at all,
they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates, names of
the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more info they
have the more likely your friend will own up when confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of you, as I
was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be interested. I'd
also learn who's windows I should throw a brick through!!

Hiram

2010-09-27 09:19:54 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at all,
they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates, names of
the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more info they
have the more likely your friend will own up when confronted.

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

Fredxx

2010-09-27 12:28:49 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I
have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more
info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be
interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar story
about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him up. I wouldn't
like to be in your shoes.

Hiram

2010-09-27 13:23:31 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I
have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more
info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be
interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar story
about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him up. I wouldn't
like to be in your shoes.

My view is, if you can afford not to have benefits, you shouldn't
receive them. David Cameron can get child benefit, his wife earns
400k pa. Does that seem right to you?

Fredxx

2010-09-27 14:57:25 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow
the US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been
disusing putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's
account. So I have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able
to deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a
true accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The
more info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might
be interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar
story about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him
up. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes.

My view is, if you can afford not to have benefits, you shouldn't
receive them. David Cameron can get child benefit, his wife earns
400k pa. Does that seem right to you?

Yes, the tax on his £400k pays for a lot more than his child benefit. It's
more efficient to hand out a non-means tested benefit and then take back in
tax on income. If like employing civil servants, then perhaps I can see
your point.

Hiram

2010-09-29 07:49:24 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow
the US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been
disusing putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's
account. So I have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able
to deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a
true accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The
more info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might
be interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar
story about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him
up. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes.

My view is, if you can afford not to have benefits, you shouldn't
receive them. David Cameron can get child benefit, his wife earns
400k pa. Does that seem right to you?

I believe in redistribution - so the poor should get a better deal
than the rich.

Fredxx

2010-09-29 10:19:58 UTC

Post by Fredxx
Yes, the tax on his £400k pays for a lot more than his child
benefit. It's more efficient to hand out a non-means tested benefit
and then take back in tax on income. If like employing civil
servants, then perhaps I can see your point.-

I believe in redistribution - so the poor should get a better deal
than the rich.

I think you're very naive though it does depend on what you mean by
redistribution.

I guess your idea of redistribution is to penalise those that save?

Michael Carroll is a good exampe why it doesn't work.

Hiram

2010-09-29 11:07:25 UTC

Post by Fredxx
I think you're very naive though it does depend on what you mean by
redistribution.
I guess your idea of redistribution is to penalise those that save?

No, far from it. But why does the tax payer have to pick up the tab if
you lose your job? Everyone thinks the world owes them a living.

And what I mean by 'redistribution' is, the rich pay progressively
more tax than the poor, and via-a-vie, get less in return.

And re Michael Carroll. It is said that, the poor are only poor
because they can't manage their money.

Fredxx

2010-09-29 11:25:38 UTC

Post by Fredxx
I think you're very naive though it does depend on what you mean by
redistribution.
I guess your idea of redistribution is to penalise those that save?

No, far from it. But why does the tax payer have to pick up the tab if
you lose your job? Everyone thinks the world owes them a living.
And what I mean by 'redistribution' is, the rich pay progressively
more tax than the poor, and via-a-vie, get less in return.

Generally that is the case in the UK and most countries, that tax rates
increase with increasing income.

Post by Hiram
And re Michael Carroll. It is said that, the poor are only poor
because they can't manage their money.

As a rule that is the case, but means testing exacerbates the position.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-29 18:25:52 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow
the US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been
disusing putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's
account. So I have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able
to deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a
true accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The
more info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might
be interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar
story about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him
up. I wouldn't like to be in your shoes.

My view is, if you can afford not to have benefits, you shouldn't
receive them. David Cameron can get child benefit, his wife earns
400k pa. Does that seem right to you?

I believe in redistribution - so the poor should get a better deal
than the rich.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

They do get a better deal than the rich. Benefits, tax credits,
housing benefit, council tax benefit, lower taxes and so on.
The rich don't get extra help or extra fast service from paying more
taxes.

Martin <><

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-28 07:12:47 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I
have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more
info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be
interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar story
about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him up. I wouldn't
like to be in your shoes.

My view is, if you can afford not to have benefits, you shouldn't
receive them. David Cameron can get child benefit, his wife earns
400k pa. Does that seem right to you?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yet the benefit is freely available to all who qualify. And they do
qualify.
Why should they not claim? Affordability doesn't come into it - it
nowhere near covers the cost of raising kids.

Martin <><

Hiram

2010-09-29 07:46:48 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I
have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more
info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be
interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar story
about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him up. I wouldn't
like to be in your shoes.

Yet the benefit is freely available to all who qualify. And they do
qualify.
Why should they not claim? Affordability doesn't come into it - it
nowhere near covers the cost of raising kids.

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly, not
sustainable.

Fredxx

2010-09-29 10:21:21 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Yet the benefit is freely available to all who qualify. And they do
qualify.
Why should they not claim? Affordability doesn't come into it - it
nowhere near covers the cost of raising kids.

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly, not
sustainable.

I think the Chinese have a good idea, espcially when the major threat to the
planet and civilation is mainly from an increasing population.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-29 18:28:06 UTC

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly, not
sustainable.

I think the Chinese have a good idea, espcially when the major threat to the
planet and civilation is mainly from an increasing population.

Trouble is we need an average birth rate of about 2.2 kids per woman
to maintain our population, yet to pay for all the country needs we
need to have a higher birthrate than that - maintaining old people is
expensive.

Martin <><

Fredxx

2010-09-30 09:28:16 UTC

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly,
not sustainable.

I think the Chinese have a good idea, espcially when the major
threat to the planet and civilation is mainly from an increasing
population.

What's wrong with a shrinking population? It's all relative how much it
costs to "maintain" old people. An increasing retirement age will help
offset the "cost".

Also, isn't this just a self fulfilling prophesy?

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-30 11:41:35 UTC

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly,
not sustainable.

I think the Chinese have a good idea, espcially when the major
threat to the planet and civilation is mainly from an increasing
population.

You can have a shrinking population - the Chinese have already with
their one child policy.
Doesn't help if you need so many million working to support the non-
working population.
Can increase retirement age - doesn't do a lot for the medical
expenses, unemployment benefits or tax credits payments.
Make retirement age 85 if you want, doesn't in any way affect the day
I retire or the limitations age imposes in health & fitness.

Martin <><

Fredxx

2010-09-30 14:47:24 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Trouble is we need an average birth rate of about 2.2 kids per woman
to maintain our population, yet to pay for all the country needs we
need to have a higher birthrate than that - maintaining old people
is expensive.

What's wrong with a shrinking population? It's all relative how much
it costs to "maintain" old people. An increasing retirement age will
help offset the "cost".
Also, isn't this just a self fulfilling prophesy?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Perhaps you ought to note what percentage of people in this country who are
of working age and fit, yet largely dependent on the state. When that has
been addressed there might be more state funding to go around for those in
poor health.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-30 20:18:03 UTC

What's wrong with a shrinking population? It's all relative how much
it costs to "maintain" old people. An increasing retirement age will
help offset the "cost".
Also, isn't this just a self fulfilling prophesy?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Yes, those are people that every government for at least the last 2
decades have tried to get into work. With various schemes, ideas,
successes, failures and the annoyance of those who just want to claim
their dole money and be left alone.
And some get annoyed at the money spent on such schemes.....

Martin <><

Fredxx

2010-09-30 23:17:00 UTC

What's wrong with a shrinking population? It's all relative how much
it costs to "maintain" old people. An increasing retirement age will
help offset the "cost".
Also, isn't this just a self fulfilling prophesy?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know some people who would call themselves time rich, cash poor. It's a
quality of life statement.

There will always be work out there, but generally means testing benefits
tend to create a minimum wage on its own, where there is little point in
taking on employment which pays worse than Jobseekers and Housing Benefit
payouts.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-10-01 07:07:53 UTC

What's wrong with a shrinking population? It's all relative how much
it costs to "maintain" old people. An increasing retirement age will
help offset the "cost".
Also, isn't this just a self fulfilling prophesy?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I know some people who would call themselves time rich, cash poor. It's a
quality of life statement.
There will always be work out there, but generally means testing benefits
tend to create a minimum wage on its own, where there is little point in
taking on employment which pays worse than Jobseekers and Housing Benefit
payouts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Then if work doesn't pay as well as benefit does, either the work pay
needs to change (unlikely unless the person changes it themselves) or
the benefit pay needs changing.
Which this government have made a start at, limiting housing benefit.
Not a good start but arguably better than leaving the system as it
was.

Martin <><

Fredxx

2010-10-01 08:46:44 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Yes, those are people that every government for at least the last 2
decades have tried to get into work. With various schemes, ideas,
successes, failures and the annoyance of those who just want to
claim their dole money and be left alone.
And some get annoyed at the money spent on such schemes.....

I know some people who would call themselves time rich, cash poor.
It's a quality of life statement.
There will always be work out there, but generally means testing
benefits tend to create a minimum wage on its own, where there is
little point in taking on employment which pays worse than
Jobseekers and Housing Benefit payouts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

We live in a real world, where our labour competes with other countries
labour rates. It should be a case of encouragine people to work, rather
than penalising them.

I think the government will make things worse, means testing is just that.
If the government wants to reduce the HB costs, building more houses might
be a prident start, or reduce demand on housing some other way.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-10-01 09:53:24 UTC

I know some people who would call themselves time rich, cash poor.
It's a quality of life statement.
There will always be work out there, but generally means testing
benefits tend to create a minimum wage on its own, where there is
little point in taking on employment which pays worse than
Jobseekers and Housing Benefit payouts.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

We live in a real world, where our labour competes with other countries
labour rates. It should be a case of encouragine people to work, rather
than penalising them.
I think the government will make things worse, means testing is just that.
If the government wants to reduce the HB costs, building more houses might
be a prident start, or reduce demand on housing some other way.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

We've for centuries lived in a world where our labour competes with
other countries labour rates. Still seems like we have many millions
employed. Last I looked we still had quite a bit of manufacturing,
never mind other areas of industry or types of work.
Plus many jobs where there is no external competition - much of our
service sector is based here and can't move.
Come to think of it, I sell both in Britain and abroad with
competition from areas (and individuals) with lower labour charges.
Doesn't affect my sales, even if I do charge a good hourly rate for my
work.

Building more houses may be a start, though NIMBYs impact where and
how many are built. Not sure it will make enough of a difference -
someone has to pay for them.

Martin <><

m***@hotmail.com

2010-09-29 18:24:44 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the
US example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a
lesser need for tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I
have strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

If you can provide sufficient info then the DWP will be able to
interview him under caution, if he's a proficient liar he be able to
deny everything however many people aren't, and faced with a true
accusation will own up.
The vague detail you've given here would not interest the DWP at
all, they will simply not investigate but if you can give dates,
names of the bank or figures then they may get interested. The more
info they have the more likely your friend will own up when
confronted.

If I was this guy I would say I was trying to extract info out of
you, as I was sure you were doing very dodgy deals and HMRC might be
interested. I'd also learn who's windows I should throw a brick
through!!

I must admit, I was thinking HMRC may be a better choice.

You're missing the point! Your "friend" would come up with a similar story
about you. He'd also know it was you who tried stitching him up. I wouldn't
like to be in your shoes.

Yet the benefit is freely available to all who qualify. And they do
qualify.
Why should they not claim? Affordability doesn't come into it - it
nowhere near covers the cost of raising kids.

If you can't afford to have children - then don't. A family that has
10 kids and get 90k from the tax payer is all wrong, and frankly, not
sustainable.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Then few people would ever have children. They are pretty expensive to
raise.
Still, if youy'd rather we just import immigrants rather than have
kids ourselves, you are welcome to run for office on that platform.

Martin <><

Robbie

2010-09-24 17:10:33 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

It depends what type of JSA it is. Means tested JSA is one thing but
there is also a contributions based JSA that can be paid regardless of
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

paul k

2010-09-25 13:14:41 UTC

does that mean the 10 million ive got could affect my benefits

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

How do you know? Have you seen evidence?
I have known snouts to be caught out by being given bogus info.
Privacy laws are great aren't they!! Perhaps we should follow the US
example and publish benefits and tax returns. They have a lesser need for
tax or benefit fraud inpectors.

No, not 100% sure he has the cash. But we'd recently been disusing
putting cash off-shore, as I have a Jersey Euro's account. So I have
strong suspicions.
He is definitely on JSA, I am sure of that.

It depends what type of JSA it is. Means tested JSA is one thing but there
is also a contributions based JSA that can be paid regardless of savings.
A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

mike

2010-09-25 18:18:02 UTC

Post by paul k
does that mean the 10 million ive got could affect my benefits

If you give me £1m I'll let you know.

Mike

Hiram

2010-09-26 09:35:53 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Robbie

2010-09-26 12:41:04 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why?

What do you think people pay National Insurance for?

--
Robbie

Hiram

2010-09-27 09:29:28 UTC

Post by Robbie

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why?
What do you think people pay National Insurance for?
--
Robbie

I don't think the NI stamp is sufficient to cover all the benefits you
can receive. The only way you could do that is to time-limit
benefits, which is what most of the rest of the world do.

Robbie

2010-09-27 12:51:17 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why?
What do you think people pay National Insurance for?
--
Robbie

I don't think the NI stamp is sufficient to cover all the benefits you
can receive. The only way you could do that is to time-limit
benefits, which is what most of the rest of the world do.

Contributions based JSA is time limited.

--
Robbie

Hiram

2010-09-27 13:21:09 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why?
What do you think people pay National Insurance for?
--
Robbie

I don't think the NI stamp is sufficient to cover all the benefits you
can receive. The only way you could do that is to time-limit
benefits, which is what most of the rest of the world do.

Contributions based JSA is time limited.
--
Robbie

Ah, I didn't know that. Thats good to know.

Fredxx

2010-09-27 08:37:58 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why? He's probably making a net positive contribution to the treasury.
He's paid NI for the appropriate amount of time. We have enough means
tested benefits which only serve to discourage savings meaning a greater
dependency on benefits.

Hiram

2010-09-27 09:31:49 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

If he's making a net contribution to the treasury, then surely he
wouldn't need to claim.

Rich people can claim child benefit - I don't think this is right,
stop that, and give more to the poor who need it.

Fredxx

2010-09-27 12:26:41 UTC

Post by Robbie
savings. A millionaire can receive contributions based JSA.

I hope they change that in the Comprehensive Spending Review next
month.

Why? He's probably making a net positive contribution to the
treasury. He's paid NI for the appropriate amount of time. We have
enough means tested benefits which only serve to discourage savings
meaning a greater dependency on benefits.

If he's making a net contribution to the treasury, then surely he
wouldn't need to claim.
Rich people can claim child benefit - I don't think this is right,
stop that, and give more to the poor who need it.

At least "rich" people are a net giver to the state, even if they can claim
child benefit. Unlike your "poor" family who'd put their child benefit
towrds Sky TV.

The_Bob-Latch

2010-09-29 09:04:17 UTC

"Fredxx" <***@spam.com> wrote in message news:i7q2oa$vej$***@news.eternal-september.org...

With people like you Hiram, Who needs Enemies eh??????????

Your supposed to be his M8 a friend get it....

Hiram

2010-09-29 10:56:59 UTC

Post by The_Bob-Latch
With people like you Hiram, Who needs Enemies eh??????????
Your supposed to be his M8 a friend get it....

Did I say they were a friend?

Robbie

2010-09-24 13:25:11 UTC

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

It depends what benefits they are on. Not every benefit is means tested
and those that are do allow you to have a decent amount of savings. But
you can always report them if you are sure they are defrauding the system.

--
Robbie

Hiram

2010-09-24 16:23:31 UTC

Post by Robbie

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

Yes I may report them. But the whole point of having an off-shore
account is that it is invisible to the UK authorities.

So sadly, I guess I'm answering my own question.

Hiram

2010-09-24 16:23:50 UTC

Post by Robbie

Post by Hiram
I know of someone who is on currently benefits, but who holds a
substantial cash sum in an off-shore account.
I presume there is nothing I can do about it?

Yes I may report them. But the whole point of having an off-shore
account is that it is invisible to the UK authorities.

So sadly, I guess I'm answering my own question.

Frank Merlott

2010-10-09 06:14:02 UTC