Discussion:
Travel-to-interview scheme, axed?
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Nomen Nescio
2010-10-20 13:45:44 UTC
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I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview refund,
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have changed
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits that my
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it gives
no mention of being poor to apply:
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservices
/DG_173631
Alex T
2010-10-20 14:18:27 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview refund,
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have changed
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits that my
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it gives
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservices
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
Niteawk
2010-10-20 21:03:09 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview refund,
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have changed
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits that my
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it gives
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservices
/DG_173631
How many more times must I tell people never to believe a word of what they
say at the JC. They make it up as they go along, when in doubt you should
always ask them for a copy of the rules they are applying, go back and tell
the fiddling bastards to pay up.
Nomen Nescio
2010-10-21 15:20:07 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
Alex T
2010-10-21 15:56:42 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
You MUST put a complaint in writing and they MUST reply. They will jump
mike
2010-10-21 19:12:08 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.

It does say "you must be out of work and on benefit" but not which
benefit, which isn't helpful. I think it's safe assume it's a working
age benefit e.g. JSA, IS, etc but I would guess SP, PC, IB and ESA are
excluded.

http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pg-chapter-1.pdf - again vague, the lack of a
definition around qualifying benefits is puzzling and will inevitably
lead to confusion. It could be discretionary with only guidlines for
the JS which are subject to change, hence the vague info.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11552171 - the JC Chief exec seemed
to think the scheme was still operating last week.

If I remember I'll have a gander at the JC guidance tomorrow.

Mike
Niteawk
2010-10-22 01:12:23 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ... maybe
it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should be
on ESA. ;)
mike
2010-10-22 07:08:39 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!

Mike
Niteawk
2010-10-22 12:01:08 UTC
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Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-22 12:58:20 UTC
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Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh? Are you suggesting that people with some MH issues shouldn't look
for work? Shouldn't get a job?
Are you now the one deciding who should be under psychiatric care?


Martin <><
mike
2010-10-22 17:50:57 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh? Are you suggesting that people with some MH issues shouldn't look
for work? Shouldn't get a job?
Are you now the one deciding who should be under psychiatric care?
Martin<><
To be fair he did make a sound diagnosis of his own MH condition so it's
not like he's a complete noob at recognising nutters.

Mike
Niteawk
2010-10-22 18:04:54 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh? Are you suggesting that people with some MH issues shouldn't look
for work? Shouldn't get a job?
Are you now the one deciding who should be under psychiatric care?
Martin<><
To be fair he did make a sound diagnosis of his own MH condition so it's
not like he's a complete noob at recognising nutters.
Lol, quite right, considering ATOS employs people without any medical
training or knowledge, that makes me an expert.
Niteawk
2010-10-22 18:01:05 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh? Are you suggesting that people with some MH issues shouldn't look
for work? Shouldn't get a job?
Are you now the one deciding who should be under psychiatric care?
Are you saying you can find work for someone who can't interact socially and
is thrown out of the JC everytime they open their mouth?

AFAIK there are no new vacancies in the JC due to cuts.
mike
2010-10-22 18:20:12 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer
it's
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Nomen Nescio
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
So am I, it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should
be on ESA. ;)
Which probably excludes him from the scheme, therefore the JC where right!!
Or wrong, it depends on how you look at it. The JC must be aware that Nomen
has some MH issues, therefore he does not qualify for JSA. These are the
very people who the staff say are being abusive to them, when they know full
well they are dealing with people who should be under psychiatric care.
Granted it is not the staffs job to point this out but a caring member of
staff would have advised Nomen to sign off on MH grounds.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Oh? Are you suggesting that people with some MH issues shouldn't look
for work? Shouldn't get a job?
Are you now the one deciding who should be under psychiatric care?
Are you saying you can find work for someone who can't interact socially
and is thrown out of the JC everytime they open their mouth?
Try IT support 'helplines', I believe that the lack social skills is a
prerequisite.


Mike
unknown
2010-10-21 20:42:17 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I've never been evicted from a JC when asking to speak to a manager
which, though rarely, I've had to do when given unreasonable job search
reporting instructions[1]. If you get evicted when you ask to speak to a
manager then there must be something about the way you are asking.

TIS is normally paid when you meet the following:
* outside normal daily travelling distance - 90 minutes door to door in
this area, don't know if that is the same elsewhere
* qualifying benefits - JSA(CB) and JSA(IB), don't know if this also
includes IS but I suspect not.
* it's an interview where there is a job (i.e. not registering at an
agency so they can decide whether to put you forward for interview or
an employer conducting interviews to have a pool of people for future
jobs etc.)
* you tell them in advance - though this requirement is waived if it is
not feasible to do so.

TIS can be paid as a discretionary amount under local daily travelling
distance door to door if you meet the other criteria but they do expect
you to show that you actually do have insufficient funds - which can be
hard to prove.

TIS is usually paid up front where possible but can be paid afterwards
if you don't have documentary evidence of the interview - simple
solution to this is if it is a phone call inviting you to interview is
to ask politely if they can confirm it in email so I have a record for
JCP, they invariably will or, if they don't have email, will give you a
letter at interview.

Do be aware if you claim TIS then a certain amount of the claims are
followed up to make sure that you turned up for interview.


[1] Like when someone at signing on day insisted that my spreadsheet
printout was insufficient and he wanted printouts of every web page that
I'd looked at next time.
--
Pedt
Niteawk
2010-10-22 01:07:51 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
I went to my local JC today, I asked for a Travel-to-interview
refund,
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
they told ne that it had been axed. I insisted that I didn't know
anything about it and they said that two weeks ago they have
changed
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
the rules, now you have to prove that you have no money at all in
order to apply. Is it true? Or is it one of the many bullshits
that my
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
JC keeps on saying? I have looked on the direct.gov page and it
gives
Post by Nomen Nescio
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Jobseekers/programmesandservice
s
Post by Nomen Nescio
Post by Nomen Nescio
/DG_173631
You've been bull shitted. I claimed today no problems
I was sure of that. Problem is my local JC refuses to help and only
thing you can do is complain and by the time you have an answer it's
too late or if you ask to speak to the manager they will evict you.
It's true!
I've never been evicted from a JC when asking to speak to a manager
which, though rarely, I've had to do when given unreasonable job search
reporting instructions[1]. If you get evicted when you ask to speak to a
manager then there must be something about the way you are asking.
* outside normal daily travelling distance - 90 minutes door to door in
this area, don't know if that is the same elsewhere
#

You do not have to attend interviews that take more than 90 mins to get to,
thats the rules. You can get travel costs before hand if you do not have
enough money for fares. If you are or were on New Deal, they should give you
a Photocard which entitles you to travel at a reduced rate.
Nomen Nescio
2010-10-22 13:57:20 UTC
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Post by unknown
TIS can be paid as a discretionary amount under local daily
travelling
Post by unknown
distance door to door if you meet the other criteria but they do
expect
Post by unknown
you to show that you actually do have insufficient funds - which can
be
Post by unknown
hard to prove.
This is exactly what they said and now it makes sense, but previously
I was awarded TIS without them looking into my accounts. I do have
some money left but now I am targeting a different area and not
relying on TIS makes my life a bit harder. What they said is that TIS
is a "discretionary fund" and that the rules were changed by the
regional office not the goverment. Does it make sense?
Post by unknown
You MUST put a complaint in writing and they MUST reply. They will
jump

Unfortunately I have already enough on my plate, I am not sure how it
will look.
Post by unknown
I'm sensing a pattern, you seem to get evicted from the JC a lot ...
maybe it's something about the WAY you complain.
Well this is a bit of an inquisitory attitude. "If they arrested you,
then you really have done something wrong". "If you have been raped,
maybe you really deserve it"... "If you complain, you are wrong."
Maybe it's something about my accent?
Post by unknown
it sounds like Nomen has a serious mental condition and should be
on ESA.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
Niteawk
2010-10-22 18:10:10 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming JSA,
that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will receive a lot
more help.
mike
2010-10-22 18:33:34 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!

As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending them
to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.

Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.

If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and stop
using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.

Mike
Niteawk
2010-10-22 20:39:57 UTC
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Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited to
his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's lights
out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge several times
a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to delete all
common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending them to allow the
rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and stop
using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH issues
cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take the
barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what can
happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved him? I
think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he might still
be with us.

The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife into
one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the JC for
pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-23 08:49:49 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim.  From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited to
his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them?   Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not.  I personally feel like punching someone's lights
out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge several times
a day.  I have even set auto complete on my work email to delete all
common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending them to allow the
rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though.  If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and stop
using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH issues
cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take the
barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what can
happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved him? I
think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he might still
be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife into
one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the JC for
pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.- Hide quoted text -
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Ah, another expert analysis of MH issues.
The MH charities may take issue with your ideas. I've worked with
volunteers with MH issues, I've worked with staff who had MH issues.
A good chunk of the clients my employer deals with have MH issues.
Yes, they can and do often control themselves. You could go shopping
and be served by someone with MH issues and you wouldn't know about it
unless they told you.
Not uncommon for serving Forces personnel to have MH issues, and still
be serving. With weapons.

As for using a knife, don't need MH issues to do that. And judging by
the reporting in the press about murders by people they have been able
to say have MH issues, its a pretty rare occurrence.

Martin <><
mike
2010-10-23 08:55:46 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which
you seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a
pub and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him
up on the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our
fault for not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the
back?

It has and does happen.

It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at
a filter.

Mike
Niteawk
2010-10-24 11:43:47 UTC
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Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)
mike
2010-10-24 13:26:58 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which
you seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in
a pub and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut
him up on the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be
our fault for not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was
in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him
at a filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues
and should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks
quite a few boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily
qualify. ;)
MH issues or self indulgent?

Mike
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-24 13:37:26 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection.  If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers?  What if you cut him up on
the road?  Will he knife you at the next lights?  Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-10-24 15:22:24 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....

Martin <><


______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-25 06:07:39 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....
Martin  <><
______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So run for office. What have you got to lose?

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-10-25 12:55:48 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at
a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide
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Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....
Martin <><
______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.- Hide quoted text -
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So run for office. What have you got to lose?

Martin <><


__________________________________

Can you name one person who is or was on JSA and became an elected member of
parliament?
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-25 22:04:44 UTC
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Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled to a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work email to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots at the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of him at
a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite a few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....
Martin <><
______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So run for office. What have you got to lose?
Martin  <><
__________________________________
Can you name one person who is or was on JSA and became an elected member of
parliament?- Hide quoted text -
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Eh? What does that have to do with your chances?
History is only a guide, doesn't itself decide what the future will
be. Someone else in the past who claimed benefit before becoming a
politician doesn't get to decide what the voters who turn up and vote
in a particular area are going to do.
Get enough support, you get the job. You have up to 4 and a half years
campaigning time - find enough people in an area to agree with you and
not agreeing with their current MP, you get the job.
Start small in the meantime - local council perhaps.

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-10-27 12:51:22 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
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Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled
to
a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work
email
to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots
at
the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of
him
at
a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite
a
few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....
Martin <><
______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So run for office. What have you got to lose?
Martin <><
__________________________________
Can you name one person who is or was on JSA and became an elected member of
parliament?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eh? What does that have to do with your chances?

Martin <><

__________________________________

Everything, can you answer the question?
m***@hotmail.com
2010-10-28 09:59:00 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by mike
Post by Niteawk
Post by Nomen Nescio
I need to group all replies in one thread, due to the anonymizer.
Yes, I do have issues actually. I have been 3 years unemployed. I
wonder if anybody would keep their spirits high and a clear mind
after
that long in unemployment...
If you are aware that you have issues then you should not be claiming
JSA, that is benefit fraud. Claim the correct benefit and you will
receive a lot more help.
It's not really fraud unless he is not seeking or is hiding a fact
relevant to his claim. From what I can see he isn't hiding anything!
No, its not really fraud in the true sense because he is entitled
to
a
benefit. The problem is his condition is preventing him from interacting
with his peers therefore he needs to apply for ESA which is more suited
to his needs.
Post by mike
As for 'issues' don't we all have them? Most of us choose to show
restraint, some do not. I personally feel like punching someone's
lights out at least once a week at work and have to bite my tounge
several times a day. I have even set auto complete on my work
email
to
delete all common profanity and have put a 15 min delay on sending
them to allow the rush of blood to dissipate.
Despite my hostile feelings toward much of mankind and co-workers they
rarely show though. If I acted on impulse I would have been sacked (or
jailed!) a loooong time ago.
If you want to behave without self restraint try being a hermit and
stop using crying 'I have issues' and grow up.
That is the difference here, you can control yourself. People with MH
issues cannot control themselves and end up in all sorts of shit. Take
the barrister who was shot dead by police in London for eg, that is what
can happen when you cannot control your emotions. Could they have saved
him? I think so, if only he had sought treatment for his problems, he
might still be with us.
The other side of the coin is, what if Nomen loses it and rams a knife
into one of the staffs throats, who do you blame then? the idiots
at
the
JC for pushing him over the edge or Nomen for not having self control.
IF nomen truely has no self control then he should be locked up for
everyone's protection. If he loses it so completely at the JC (which you
seem to feel is justified) how will he react if I bump into him in a pub
and he drops his pint soaking his new trainers? What if you cut him up
on
the road? Will he knife you at the next lights? Will it be our fault for
not walking on eggshells or driving like miss daisy was in the back?
It has and does happen.
It's more likely Nomen has low level anger problem and chooses not to
exert control, like every other idiot who has a few beers and starts a
fight or goes mad on his car horn when someone pushes in front of
him
at
a
filter.
Mike
Dont shoot the messenger. Anyone who keeps getting escorted from the
building every time they ask to see the manager clearly has MH issues and
should be on ESA according to benefit rules that is. Nomen ticks quite
a
few
boxes using the MH descriptors for ESA and should easily qualify. ;)- Hide
quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Wow, diagnosing MH issues because of being escorted from the
building....
Not everyone with MH issues goes onto ESA. Some work, some look for
work while on jobseekers, some don't look for work while on
jobseekers....
Martin <><
______________________________________________
True not everyone with MH issues claims ESA, very enlightening that Martin,
thank you. Some who have never worked and have no intention of working
become MP's and Ministers.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
So run for office. What have you got to lose?
Martin <><
__________________________________
Can you name one person who is or was on JSA and became an elected member of
parliament?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Eh? What does that have to do with your chances?
Martin   <><
__________________________________
Everything, can you answer the question?- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
But it has nothing to do with the question.
What someone else claimed or didn't claim in the past doesn't affect
you getting voters to vote for you.
Still, if its too much like work for you, then just let others become
MPs and live high while having no intention of working.....

Martin <><

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