BBC news report about ESA medicals.

[Niteawk]

ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.

They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

Martin <><

[Niteawk]

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by Niteawk

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Lets see, by what you've said he could do:
Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.

But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.

Martin <><

[Robbie]

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Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.
Martin <><

If he has continuing problems with a broken leg most firms wouldn't even
employ him for insurance (i.e. health and safety) reasons. It's one
thing having a leg missing, that's a long term issue that can be
addressed with a long term solution. But if someone has a fractured or a
broken leg I doubt that person could hop (pun intended!) into easy
employment.

[m***@hotmail.com]

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Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.
Martin  <><

If he has continuing problems with a broken leg most firms wouldn't even
employ him for insurance (i.e. health and safety) reasons. It's one
thing having a leg missing, that's a long term issue that can be
addressed with a long term solution. But if someone has a fractured or a
broken leg I doubt that person could hop (pun intended!) into easy
employment.
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Wouldn't be easy employment, but not impossible.
As Niteawk has said, multiple fractures and ongoing surgery so not a
short term issue.
A simple broken leg can be under a year to full recovery (few weeks in
plaster and months of physio), longer term problems tend to need
longer term solutions.
Including home working, which is popular these days but still requires
health & safety to be examined.

Martin <><

[Robbie]

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Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.
Martin <><

If he has continuing problems with a broken leg most firms wouldn't even
employ him for insurance (i.e. health and safety) reasons. It's one
thing having a leg missing, that's a long term issue that can be
addressed with a long term solution. But if someone has a fractured or a
broken leg I doubt that person could hop (pun intended!) into easy
employment.
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
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Wouldn't be easy employment, but not impossible.

Not everything in life is impossible. But some things are more
impossible than others!

Post by m***@hotmail.com
As Niteawk has said, multiple fractures and ongoing surgery so not a
short term issue.

But perhaps enough to see the person fall through the gap between ESA
and JSA requirements.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
A simple broken leg can be under a year to full recovery (few weeks in
plaster and months of physio), longer term problems tend to need
longer term solutions.
Including home working, which is popular these days but still requires
health & safety to be examined.

As I said, nothing is impossible but the inflexibility of the ESA system
does leave a lot to be desired. Surely you must at least admit that?

[m***@hotmail.com]

Post by Robbie

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Post by Robbie

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by Niteawk

Post by m***@hotmail.com

Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.
Martin  <><

If he has continuing problems with a broken leg most firms wouldn't even
employ him for insurance (i.e. health and safety) reasons. It's one
thing having a leg missing, that's a long term issue that can be
addressed with a long term solution. But if someone has a fractured or a
broken leg I doubt that person could hop (pun intended!) into easy
employment.
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
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Wouldn't be easy employment, but not impossible.

Not everything in life is impossible. But some things are more
impossible than others!

Post by m***@hotmail.com
As Niteawk has said, multiple fractures and ongoing surgery so not a
short term issue.

But perhaps enough to see the person fall through the gap between ESA
and JSA requirements.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
A simple broken leg can be under a year to full recovery (few weeks in
plaster and months of physio), longer term problems tend to need
longer term solutions.
Including home working, which is popular these days but still requires
health & safety to be examined.

As I said, nothing is impossible but the inflexibility of the ESA system
does leave a lot to be desired. Surely you must at least admit that?
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'd go as far as saying the infelxibility of the benefits system
overall leaves a lot to be desired.
Still, there are I daresay reasons why.

Martin <><

[Robbie]

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Post by Robbie

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Post by Robbie

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Post by Niteawk

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Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was declared fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.
Martin <><

If he has continuing problems with a broken leg most firms wouldn't even
employ him for insurance (i.e. health and safety) reasons. It's one
thing having a leg missing, that's a long term issue that can be
addressed with a long term solution. But if someone has a fractured or a
broken leg I doubt that person could hop (pun intended!) into easy
employment.
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

Wouldn't be easy employment, but not impossible.

Not everything in life is impossible. But some things are more
impossible than others!

Post by m***@hotmail.com
As Niteawk has said, multiple fractures and ongoing surgery so not a
short term issue.

But perhaps enough to see the person fall through the gap between ESA
and JSA requirements.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
A simple broken leg can be under a year to full recovery (few weeks in
plaster and months of physio), longer term problems tend to need
longer term solutions.
Including home working, which is popular these days but still requires
health & safety to be examined.

As I said, nothing is impossible but the inflexibility of the ESA system
does leave a lot to be desired. Surely you must at least admit that?
--
Robbie- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'd go as far as saying the infelxibility of the benefits system
overall leaves a lot to be desired.
Still, there are I daresay reasons why.
Martin <><

It's usually intended to cut down on the amount of claimants. It
sometimes works, other times it doesn't.

[Niteawk]

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Post by Niteawk
ESA medicals slated on national news, they say they are going to introduce
changes to the way cases are being handled. Instead of saving money, its
cost 8.6 million more and rising. Appeals are up by 86%.
They showed a clip of a lad who's leg was broken in two, he was
declared
fit
for work. Lol.

And what is wrong with the lad apart from his leg being broken in two?

Not every case is the same. Apart from being completely broke in two, I
think his leg was also fractured in several places and he was undergoing
corrective surgery for the 3rd or 4th time. When they showed the film clip I
think the point they were making was, even a complete idiot could see he was
not fit for work

Post by m***@hotmail.com
I've worked with people missing legs, I've worked with people with
broken legs, one of the delivery drivers at my old workplace had one
leg with the other off above the knee.
While someone with a broken leg will be unable to do some jobs, they'd
still have a wife range of jobs they could do.

I suppose you are right as usual. He was obviously a malingerer, there was
nothing wrong with him. The very idea of giving someone time to recover from
ongoing surgeries is ridiculous. He could go straight to work from surgery
to the DWP, or put a uniform on him and he could be a police officer on duty
at the hospital. Yes of course, I see what you mean, we need to think
outside the box, put him in a space shuttle and he could be an astronaut. If
he can come up with crazy ideas like yours, we could make him prime
minister, well maybe not PM, Gordon is refusing to leave, but at least a
minister.

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Are you suggesting that people should be forced to not work when they
are capable?

How dare you! our government does not force people to work, those currently
serving time in prisons, and those in the government are exempt from work
unless they choose to lobby parliament for cash on behalf of private
enterprise. They can do anything except work for the public.

Call centre work
Admin work
Phone sales work
Basically anything that doesn't require him to walk.
But you take the view that someone with a broken leg (even if broken
in multiple parts the limitations on him would be mostly the same)
cannot work.
Hey, that would give you the perfect excuse next time they want you to
attend a back to work interview, just stick some plaster on your leg
and claim you broke it, see what lack of sympathy you can get.
If you are very lucky the employment advisor you get may be missing
both legs.

I understand there are people with some form of disability who work, people
who have been treated in hospital and recovered from whatever problems they
had. The point is, he is under the care of the hospital at the moment, they
have not fixed his leg yet, he still has to attend surgery. Once they sort
him out, I have no doubt he will return to the ranks of the unemployed. For
all we know, they may have to amputate the leg if they cant get it to heal
properly. Until then he meets the requirements for ESA.