Bad report from 13 wks bootcamp

Post by Nomen Nescio
I have just ended my 13 weeks bootcamp from hell and my tutor, as
expected, has filled a very negative report that he will send to JC+.
I wonder if I can safely ignore it or should I better prepare myself
for tough questions? Bear in mynd that JC+ have 3 written complaints
from me for the bullying behaviour of tutors, so I can always say that
they retaliated...

You should always complain about them when they mess you about. You need to
look for things that they are doing wrong, they are guaranteed to have set
you some demeaning and senseless tasks like sellotaping waste paper
together, this is what they call team building exercises. Sending you to
placements where you learn nothing. Forcing you to look at the same
newspapers over and over, the way ND advisers treat you for bringing things
like this to their attention, anything like this is worthy of a complaint to
your MP, see your MP to get an enquiry going and keep on until something
positive is done about it. MPs do not like having their time wasted on BS
like this and they will do something about it.

One of the things they used to do when I was a prisoner was to get everyone
to apply for the same vacancies even when they knew those vacancies were
gone. There was not enough jobs in the area let alone enough jobs for 50
unskilled people crammed into one room. 30 jobs in the local papers, 20 of
them were for qualified people, about 6 were temp jobs with agencies, that
left 4 possible jobs that unskilled people might stand a chance of getting,
at least 2 out of the 4 were always gone.

We had to apply for 5 jobs per week as part of the job search agreement. By
counting the amount of suitable jobs compared to the amount of people on
these BS courses. Given there is on average between 40 to 50 people in every
room. We were looking at a ratio of 2 jobs per 250 people in our building
and they were all applying for 5 jobs per week. Then I factored in how many
course providers we have in our area, 4 in total, and you are left with
evidence of a massive fraud being run by the DWP and its providers. There
was no way they could meet these targets without cheating. A lot of the time
people were applying for jobs online way out of the area, so far out it
would cost more in fares than the job paid to get there.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-10 07:15:21 UTC

You should always complain about them when they mess you about. You need to
look for things that they are doing wrong, they are guaranteed to have set
you some demeaning and senseless tasks like sellotaping waste paper
together, this is what they call team building exercises. Sending you to
placements where you learn nothing. Forcing you to look at the same
newspapers over and over, the way ND advisers treat you for bringing things
like this to their attention, anything like this is worthy of a complaint to
your MP, see your MP to get an enquiry going and keep on until something
positive is done about it. MPs do not like having their time wasted on BS
like this and they will do something about it.
One of the things they used to do when I was a prisoner was to get everyone
to apply for the same vacancies even when they knew those vacancies were
gone. There was not enough jobs in the area let alone enough jobs for 50
unskilled people crammed into one room. 30 jobs in the local papers, 20 of
them were for qualified people, about 6 were temp jobs with agencies, that
left 4 possible jobs that unskilled people might stand a chance of getting,
at least 2 out of the 4 were always gone.
We had to apply for 5 jobs per week as part of the job search agreement. By
counting the amount of suitable jobs compared to the amount of people on
these BS courses. Given there is on average between 40 to 50 people in every
room. We were looking at a ratio of 2 jobs per 250 people in our building
and they were all applying for 5 jobs per week. Then I factored in how many
course providers we have in our area, 4 in total, and you are left with
evidence of a massive fraud being run by the DWP and its providers. There
was no way they could meet these targets without cheating. A lot of the time
people were applying for jobs online way out of the area, so far out it
would cost more in fares than the job paid to get there.

Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?
Even 2 jobs available, doesn't mean that only 2 people should apply.
Some of the jobs I've got in the past have been 50+ applicants.
At work we advertised for a new position in the local press and
jobcentre, over a hundred applied for the one job.

For the individual, getting a job means getting off the course,
getting some money, maybe getting some free money in terms of tax
credits and so on.

Martin <><

nonanon

2010-07-11 18:50:29 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?

Applying for jobs is not the same as applying for suitable jobs, or
applying in a suitable way for jobs.

It's very easy to get 5 ads from a paper and to make a client apply for
all of them. It's harder to get the client to tailor their CV to the
job, and to create a good letter, and to apply, and to follow up the
application, and to protect the client from discrimination.

"Just applying" is hopeless waste of time and money if there's no
learning ("I've applied for 200 jobs, and not had any response, what do I
do now?") or if the jobs are all unobtainable for that applicant.

Niteawk

2010-07-12 12:08:41 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?

Applying for jobs is not the same as applying for suitable jobs, or
applying in a suitable way for jobs.

It is if you are a course provider, any application is suitable, even when
the job is gone. It is suitable because they get paid for that crap.

Post by nonanon
It's very easy to get 5 ads from a paper and to make a client apply for
all of them. It's harder to get the client to tailor their CV to the
job, and to create a good letter, and to apply, and to follow up the
application, and to protect the client from discrimination.

When was the last time you looked at a newspaper? you can find 5 jobs or 10
if you like, the problem is you need to be a jack of all trades and
professions to apply for them.

I agree about the CV bit, if you are serious about applying for a particular
job then you have to do some research, tailor your CV and application
letter. It would take 2 or 3 days to put together a really good application.
Because we spent the first 4 days of every week doing nothing mostly,
listening to some BS or doing some BS team building exercise, all our job
applications had to be done on a friday morning, then you handed your folder
in, signed a load of BS paperwork to show how wonderful the course provider
is and off you went safe in the knowledge you will be on the BS course until
it ends. Then its back to see your ND adviser who is unable to find you 1
suitable job to apply for per week.

Post by nonanon
"Just applying" is hopeless waste of time and money if there's no
learning ("I've applied for 200 jobs, and not had any response, what do I
do now?") or if the jobs are all unobtainable for that applicant.

Apply for 200 more, do not pass go ;)

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-12 18:40:16 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?

Applying for jobs is not the same as applying for suitable jobs, or
applying in a suitable way for jobs.

It is if you are a course provider, any application is suitable, even when
the job is gone. It is suitable because they get paid for that crap.

When was the last time you looked at a newspaper? you can find 5 jobs or 10
if you like, the problem is you need to be a jack of all trades and
professions to apply for them.
I agree about the CV bit, if you are serious about applying for a particular
job then you have to do some research, tailor your CV and application
letter. It would take 2 or 3 days to put together a really good application.
Because we spent the first 4 days of every week doing nothing mostly,
listening to some BS or doing some BS team building exercise, all our job
applications had to be done on a friday morning, then you handed your folder
in, signed a load of BS paperwork to show how wonderful the course provider
is and off you went safe in the knowledge you will be on the BS course until
it ends. Then its back to see your ND adviser who is unable to find you 1
suitable job to apply for per week.

Apply for 200 more, do not pass go ;)

Plenty of jobs in our Thursday night paper that don't require jack of
all trades. Last Thursday there were many that an unskilled 18 year
old could have gone for.

2 or 3 days to put together a tailored CV? I do it in less than 10
minutes. Requires me to have my 5 base CVs (admin, fundraising,
charity, security and design) and tailor just one of them to meet the
particular company.
Takes up to 30 minutes maybe with a really unusual company to research
the required tailoring needed, often less than 10 minutes.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-12 18:52:17 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?

Applying for jobs is not the same as applying for suitable jobs, or
applying in a suitable way for jobs.

It is if you are a course provider, any application is suitable, even when
the job is gone. It is suitable because they get paid for that crap.

When was the last time you looked at a newspaper? you can find 5 jobs or 10
if you like, the problem is you need to be a jack of all trades and
professions to apply for them.
I agree about the CV bit, if you are serious about applying for a particular
job then you have to do some research, tailor your CV and application
letter. It would take 2 or 3 days to put together a really good application.
Because we spent the first 4 days of every week doing nothing mostly,
listening to some BS or doing some BS team building exercise, all our job
applications had to be done on a friday morning, then you handed your folder
in, signed a load of BS paperwork to show how wonderful the course provider
is and off you went safe in the knowledge you will be on the BS course until
it ends. Then its back to see your ND adviser who is unable to find you 1
suitable job to apply for per week.

Apply for 200 more, do not pass go ;)

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

No offence but we all know you live in a world of your own, Martins land,
the real utopia. 0% unemployment.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-13 06:12:45 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
Oh, so you agree they did help people apply for jobs then?

Applying for jobs is not the same as applying for suitable jobs, or
applying in a suitable way for jobs.

It is if you are a course provider, any application is suitable, even when
the job is gone. It is suitable because they get paid for that crap.

When was the last time you looked at a newspaper? you can find 5 jobs or 10
if you like, the problem is you need to be a jack of all trades and
professions to apply for them.
I agree about the CV bit, if you are serious about applying for a particular
job then you have to do some research, tailor your CV and application
letter. It would take 2 or 3 days to put together a really good application.
Because we spent the first 4 days of every week doing nothing mostly,
listening to some BS or doing some BS team building exercise, all our job
applications had to be done on a friday morning, then you handed your folder
in, signed a load of BS paperwork to show how wonderful the course provider
is and off you went safe in the knowledge you will be on the BS course until
it ends. Then its back to see your ND adviser who is unable to find you 1
suitable job to apply for per week.

Apply for 200 more, do not pass go ;)

Plenty of jobs in our Thursday night paper that don't require jack of
all trades. Last Thursday there were many that an unskilled 18 year
old could have gone for.
2 or 3 days to put together a tailored CV? I do it in less than 10
minutes. Requires me to have my 5 base CVs (admin, fundraising,
charity, security and design) and tailor just one of them to meet the
particular company.
Takes up to 30 minutes maybe with a really unusual company to research
the required tailoring needed, often less than 10 minutes.
Martin <><

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No offence but we all know you live in a world of your own, Martins land,
the real utopia. 0% unemployment.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

No, round here we have one of the highest unemployment rates in
England combined with lower than national average earnings.
Over 10% unemployment rate, and one of our larger local employers is
shutting down local operations.

Still jobs advertised, still companies expanding, still companies
starting up. And still companies replacing staff.
Even the national press have jobs advertised all over the place - even
I daresay in your area.
You may not choose to see local jobs but they will be there.

Martin <><

nonanon

2010-07-12 22:31:34 UTC

On Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:40:16 -0700, ***@hotmail.com wrote:

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Post by m***@hotmail.com
2 or 3 days to put together a tailored CV? I do it in less than 10
minutes. Requires me to have my 5 base CVs (admin, fundraising, charity,
security and design) and tailor just one of them to meet the particular
company.
Takes up to 30 minutes maybe with a really unusual company to research
the required tailoring needed, often less than 10 minutes.

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-13 06:15:03 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

Thats the tailoring one scheme (Shaw Trust) taught me. I know of a
couple of local organisations who help people do that, though my
organisation doesn't as we don't concentrate on CVs.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-14 12:41:51 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

Thats the tailoring one scheme (Shaw Trust) taught me. I know of a
couple of local organisations who help people do that, though my
organisation doesn't as we don't concentrate on CVs.

And they have become the same as the rest of the providers since they
accepted the contracts to deliver the mandatory Pathways to Work programs.
They are now gestapo bastards policing the sick and disabled in partnership
with the DWP so no more fkin tailored CVs, no more asking the charity for
help, they still say they are a charity yet they will order you to attend
and if you cant make it, they will report you to the DWP. FTA/WFI = failing
to attend a work focussed interview. Cunts the lot of them.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-14 17:01:12 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

Thats the tailoring one scheme (Shaw Trust) taught me. I know of a
couple of local organisations who help people do that, though my
organisation doesn't as we don't concentrate on CVs.

Looks like a charity on the charity commission website.
And people can still ask the charity for help - my wife did.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-14 22:10:49 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

Thats the tailoring one scheme (Shaw Trust) taught me. I know of a
couple of local organisations who help people do that, though my
organisation doesn't as we don't concentrate on CVs.

Looks like a charity on the charity commission website.
And people can still ask the charity for help - my wife did.
Martin <><

Yes thats right, and they still have the cheek to call themselves a charity
when they are breaking every law there is by going against everything that
charity symbolises.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-15 09:32:11 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

Thats the tailoring one scheme (Shaw Trust) taught me. I know of a
couple of local organisations who help people do that, though my
organisation doesn't as we don't concentrate on CVs.

Looks like a charity on the charity commission website.
And people can still ask the charity for help - my wife did.
Martin <><

Yes thats right, and they still have the cheek to call themselves a charity
when they are breaking every law there is by going against everything that
charity symbolises.- Hide quoted text -
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Then take it up with the charity commission.
Who can look at whether a charity has broken a charity law.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-14 12:29:17 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

You can have all the tailored CVs in the world put together by professionals
even, the cretins will still insist you prepare one the way they want it
done. Martin has narrowed his job search to a few jobs he wants which would
not be accepted by any self righteous A4e or ND gestapo.

What you two seem to be forgetting is most people on the schemes have no
skills at all. There is nothing worse than having a crap CV that shows you
know nothing. You will not get any jobs with CVs like that which I think
they have now recognised as they are telling people to pretend they were
working for A4e etc, so they are in effect listing the schemes they attended
as previous employment. That is just as bad as having a CV with nothing on
it because it shows you are lying, you never had a real job.

What a fkin carry on, the blind leading the blind ;)

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-14 17:25:21 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

You can have all the tailored CVs in the world put together by professionals
even, the cretins will still insist you prepare one the way they want it
done. Martin has narrowed his job search to a few jobs he wants which would
not be accepted by any self righteous A4e or ND gestapo.
What you two seem to be forgetting is most people on the schemes have no
skills at all. There is nothing worse than having a crap CV that shows you
know nothing. You will not get any jobs with CVs like that which I think
they have now recognised as they are telling people to pretend they were
working for A4e etc, so they are in effect listing the schemes they attended
as previous employment. That is just as bad as having a CV with nothing on
it because it shows you are lying, you never had a real job.
What a fkin carry on, the blind leading the blind ;)

I've narrowed my job search to areas I have experience in and can
still physically do.
I'm banned from driving so any driving jobs are out, I can't stand for
more than about 10 minutes so jobs involving standing are out. I'm
allergic to the cold so any outside jobs are out.
As is anywhere too far from a hospital with A&E facilities. And I
can't walk quick so jobs involving walking are out.

Doesn't leave many jobs. Of the ones it does leave I do have certain
skills. With the degree I'm currently studying I'm adding more skills,
with some courses my own company pays for in my role as a director
adding to skillset, tax deductable of course.

I've come across some crap CVs from other people. Not read any that
couldn't, with a bit of rewriting, be made to look good.
For instance, a 6 page CV thats mainly whats jobs and their addresses
someone has worked at over the past 35 years. Nice, but too long, not
needed in that format and doesn't highlight current skills.
The fact someone can program an ODIN system not really relevant to an
office job looking for MS package experience.

Simple, 2 page CV with current skills highlighted, recent employment
and relevant skillset is more informative. Seen a numbe of them,
especially from help to work suppliers in local areas.
Even unskilled people can put down relevant skills. How many people
are able to get on well with others, something essential in many jobs
but not listed on all that many CVs?

May be harder for you, with your long years not working/running away
from work.
Doesn't mean its as hard for everyone, even unskilled workers.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-14 22:10:56 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

You can have all the tailored CVs in the world put together by professionals
even, the cretins will still insist you prepare one the way they want it
done. Martin has narrowed his job search to a few jobs he wants which would
not be accepted by any self righteous A4e or ND gestapo.
What you two seem to be forgetting is most people on the schemes have no
skills at all. There is nothing worse than having a crap CV that shows you
know nothing. You will not get any jobs with CVs like that which I think
they have now recognised as they are telling people to pretend they were
working for A4e etc, so they are in effect listing the schemes they attended
as previous employment. That is just as bad as having a CV with nothing on
it because it shows you are lying, you never had a real job.
What a fkin carry on, the blind leading the blind ;)

I've narrowed my job search to areas I have experience in and can
still physically do.
I'm banned from driving so any driving jobs are out, I can't stand for
more than about 10 minutes so jobs involving standing are out. I'm
allergic to the cold so any outside jobs are out.
As is anywhere too far from a hospital with A&E facilities. And I
can't walk quick so jobs involving walking are out.
Doesn't leave many jobs. Of the ones it does leave I do have certain
skills. With the degree I'm currently studying I'm adding more skills,
with some courses my own company pays for in my role as a director
adding to skillset, tax deductable of course.
I've come across some crap CVs from other people. Not read any that
couldn't, with a bit of rewriting, be made to look good.
For instance, a 6 page CV thats mainly whats jobs and their addresses
someone has worked at over the past 35 years. Nice, but too long, not
needed in that format and doesn't highlight current skills.
The fact someone can program an ODIN system not really relevant to an
office job looking for MS package experience.
Simple, 2 page CV with current skills highlighted, recent employment
and relevant skillset is more informative. Seen a numbe of them,
especially from help to work suppliers in local areas.
Even unskilled people can put down relevant skills. How many people
are able to get on well with others, something essential in many jobs
but not listed on all that many CVs?
May be harder for you, with your long years not working/running away
from work.
Doesn't mean its as hard for everyone, even unskilled workers.
Martin <><

This is you again Martin, it is always about you every time you reply. So
you are disabled, that means you can get just about every type of help there
is going, you are allowed to study, attend college and universiy if you
like. You qualify for just about every benefit going and nobody can force
you to do anything you do not want to do.

The people I am talking about are forced to attend the likes of A4e, they
are not allowed and certainly not funded to go on university or college
courses. They have to be available for work as per the rules. The fact that
they know nothing and have no qualifications is not considered to be a
disability. They may be able bodied and in perfect health but they are worse
off because they are certainly not going to learn anything from BS course
providers whos only aim is to profit from keeping them sitting around all
day doing nothing. If that is how you were treated you would not be on here
boasting about how well you are doing all the time, you would have fuck all
like the rest of them.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-15 10:12:35 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

You can have all the tailored CVs in the world put together by professionals
even, the cretins will still insist you prepare one the way they want it
done. Martin has narrowed his job search to a few jobs he wants which would
not be accepted by any self righteous A4e or ND gestapo.
What you two seem to be forgetting is most people on the schemes have no
skills at all. There is nothing worse than having a crap CV that shows you
know nothing. You will not get any jobs with CVs like that which I think
they have now recognised as they are telling people to pretend they were
working for A4e etc, so they are in effect listing the schemes they attended
as previous employment. That is just as bad as having a CV with nothing on
it because it shows you are lying, you never had a real job.
What a fkin carry on, the blind leading the blind ;)

I've narrowed my job search to areas I have experience in and can
still physically do.
I'm banned from driving so any driving jobs are out, I can't stand for
more than about 10 minutes so jobs involving standing are out. I'm
allergic to the cold so any outside jobs are out.
As is anywhere too far from a hospital with A&E facilities. And I
can't walk quick so jobs involving walking are out.
Doesn't leave many jobs. Of the ones it does leave I do have certain
skills. With the degree I'm currently studying I'm adding more skills,
with some courses my own company pays for in my role as a director
adding to skillset, tax deductable of course.
I've come across some crap CVs from other people. Not read any that
couldn't, with a bit of rewriting, be made to look good.
For instance, a 6 page CV thats mainly whats jobs and their addresses
someone has worked at over the past 35 years. Nice, but too long, not
needed in that format and doesn't highlight current skills.
The fact someone can program an ODIN system not really relevant to an
office job looking for MS package experience.
Simple, 2 page CV with current skills highlighted, recent employment
and relevant skillset is more informative. Seen a numbe of them,
especially from help to work suppliers in local areas.
Even unskilled people can put down relevant skills. How many people
are able to get on well with others, something essential in many jobs
but not listed on all that many CVs?
May be harder for you, with your long years not working/running away
from work.
Doesn't mean its as hard for everyone, even unskilled workers.
Martin <><

This is you again Martin, it is always about you every time you reply. So
you are disabled, that means you can get just about every type of help there
is going, you are allowed to study, attend college and universiy if you
like. You qualify for just about every benefit going and nobody can force
you to do anything you do not want to do.
The people I am talking about are forced to attend the likes of A4e, they
are not allowed and certainly not funded to go on university or college
courses. They have to be available for work as per the rules. The fact that
they know nothing and have no qualifications is not considered to be a
disability. They may be able bodied and in perfect health but they are worse
off because they are certainly not going to learn anything from BS course
providers whos only aim is to profit from keeping them sitting around all
day doing nothing. If that is how you were treated you would not be on here
boasting about how well you are doing all the time, you would have fuck all
like the rest of them.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -

I'm disabled so don't get all the help going. No disability benefits -
there aren't any that are given for being disabled.

I am like every other adult in Britain allowed to go to university and
study. For those who are classed as mature students, often don't need
traditional A level passes to get in. For those on low incomes there
is a grant system, plus student loans to pay for tuition. Plus
bursaries - can add up to in excess of £7k a year to stay at home and
study at a university. Or can do a degree on the open university and
get a degree for free, no debt if household income low enough.
Plenty of adult education classes in many areas that are free to low
income families, not exactly expensive even if don't qualify for free.

No-one can force me to do things apart from my employer, my
professional body, police etc, same as most people.
Rather like you would substitute jobcentre for employer.

Why do you think the people you are talking about are not funded to go
to university or college? It does come down to their choice - there is
funding available. But it is easier to not attend college or
university.
Don't need any qualifications as a mature student to go to Uni.

And quite a number of students work part time on top of their grant/
loan income or instead of loan. Easier to consider part time work if
have money for some of your bills already guaranteed.

Not all course providers are BS. Some excellent course providers
around, your experiences aren't the experiences of everyone.

You choose not to work. Others choose to work. Or at least look for
work.
There are still jobs around, there are still jobs worth applying for.
Or there's always the simple option of self employment - less of a
safety net than employees have but rewards are higher too.

Come to think of it, of the mature students on my course, several I
know have been unemployed in the year prior to starting university.
Jobcentre didn't stop them applying to go on a course or taking the
steps to get accepted.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-15 11:14:58 UTC

Post by nonanon
[sn ip]

and that's exactly the kind of tailoring that does not happen with some
schemes.

You can have all the tailored CVs in the world put together by professionals
even, the cretins will still insist you prepare one the way they want it
done. Martin has narrowed his job search to a few jobs he wants which would
not be accepted by any self righteous A4e or ND gestapo.
What you two seem to be forgetting is most people on the schemes have no
skills at all. There is nothing worse than having a crap CV that shows you
know nothing. You will not get any jobs with CVs like that which I think
they have now recognised as they are telling people to pretend they were
working for A4e etc, so they are in effect listing the schemes they attended
as previous employment. That is just as bad as having a CV with nothing on
it because it shows you are lying, you never had a real job.
What a fkin carry on, the blind leading the blind ;)

I've narrowed my job search to areas I have experience in and can
still physically do.
I'm banned from driving so any driving jobs are out, I can't stand for
more than about 10 minutes so jobs involving standing are out. I'm
allergic to the cold so any outside jobs are out.
As is anywhere too far from a hospital with A&E facilities. And I
can't walk quick so jobs involving walking are out.
Doesn't leave many jobs. Of the ones it does leave I do have certain
skills. With the degree I'm currently studying I'm adding more skills,
with some courses my own company pays for in my role as a director
adding to skillset, tax deductable of course.
I've come across some crap CVs from other people. Not read any that
couldn't, with a bit of rewriting, be made to look good.
For instance, a 6 page CV thats mainly whats jobs and their addresses
someone has worked at over the past 35 years. Nice, but too long, not
needed in that format and doesn't highlight current skills.
The fact someone can program an ODIN system not really relevant to an
office job looking for MS package experience.
Simple, 2 page CV with current skills highlighted, recent employment
and relevant skillset is more informative. Seen a numbe of them,
especially from help to work suppliers in local areas.
Even unskilled people can put down relevant skills. How many people
are able to get on well with others, something essential in many jobs
but not listed on all that many CVs?
May be harder for you, with your long years not working/running away
from work.
Doesn't mean its as hard for everyone, even unskilled workers.
Martin <><

This is you again Martin, it is always about you every time you reply. So
you are disabled, that means you can get just about every type of help there
is going, you are allowed to study, attend college and universiy if you
like. You qualify for just about every benefit going and nobody can force
you to do anything you do not want to do.
The people I am talking about are forced to attend the likes of A4e, they
are not allowed and certainly not funded to go on university or college
courses. They have to be available for work as per the rules. The fact that
they know nothing and have no qualifications is not considered to be a
disability. They may be able bodied and in perfect health but they are worse
off because they are certainly not going to learn anything from BS course
providers whos only aim is to profit from keeping them sitting around all
day doing nothing. If that is how you were treated you would not be on here
boasting about how well you are doing all the time, you would have fuck all
like the rest of them.- Hide quoted text -
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m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-15 11:39:51 UTC

On 15 July, 12:14, "Niteawk" <***@btinternet.com> wrote:
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Post by Niteawk
Thank you for yet another report from planet Martin, your post has
conveniently stopped formatting again, happens every time the BS meter goes
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Not BS, merely the truth.
You may not like it, doesn't make something BS.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-15 14:06:51 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
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Not BS, merely the truth.
You may not like it, doesn't make something BS.
Martin <><

The truth! I think thats a bit strong, the world according to Martin falls
well short of reality IMO. You need to have a word with yourself about that.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-15 14:23:55 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
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Not BS, merely the truth.
You may not like it, doesn't make something BS.
Martin <><

The truth! I think thats a bit strong, the world according to Martin falls
well short of reality IMO. You need to have a word with yourself about that.

Niteawk

2010-07-15 19:28:05 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
<snipped>

Not BS, merely the truth.
You may not like it, doesn't make something BS.
Martin <><

The truth! I think thats a bit strong, the world according to Martin falls
well short of reality IMO. You need to have a word with yourself about that.

On the contrary, the reality of services, help and funding available
to people is well known.
You choose not to take advantage of what is available, thats up to
you. Others who want to work will take advantage of the billions of
pounds of help available every year and do something.

Still, there's none so blind as those who won't see.
Just a couple of sites to read. Deny them as much as you want,
hundreds of thousands of us benefit from the reality of government
help every year.

http://www.reading.ac.uk/internal/personaltutor/Commonissues/pt-MatureStudents.aspx
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherEducation/StudentFinance/index.htm

Martin <><
Every sham mandatory course provider in the country is full to capacity and
here you are trying to tell me the government provides help. No disrespect
but I have seen first hand what the government has to offer, sanctions if
you do not obey orders, that is the reality. Don't believe me, ask anyone
who is or was a prisoner of A4e et al. After up to 12 months of torture,
what you get is a1 page CV at the end with fuck all on it. Then they repeat
the same process all over again, that is what you get from the government.

m***@hotmail.com

2010-07-16 06:52:09 UTC

Post by m***@hotmail.com
<snipped>

Not BS, merely the truth.
You may not like it, doesn't make something BS.
Martin <><

The truth! I think thats a bit strong, the world according to Martin falls
well short of reality IMO. You need to have a word with yourself about that.

On the contrary, the reality of services, help and funding available
to people is well known.
You choose not to take advantage of what is available, thats up to
you. Others who want to work will take advantage of the billions of
pounds of help available every year and do something.
Still, there's none so blind as those who won't see.
Just a couple of sites to read. Deny them as much as you want,
hundreds of thousands of us benefit from the reality of government
help every year.
http://www.reading.ac.uk/internal/personaltutor/Commonissues/pt-Matur...http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/EducationAndLearning/UniversityAndHigherE...
Martin <><
Every sham mandatory course provider in the country is full to capacity and
here you are trying to tell me the government provides help. No disrespect
but I have seen first hand what the government has to offer, sanctions if
you do not obey orders, that is the reality. Don't believe me, ask anyone
who is or was a prisoner of A4e et al. After up to 12 months of torture,
what you get is a1 page CV at the end with fuck all on it. Then they repeat
the same process all over again, that is what you get from the government.- Hide quoted text -
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And every non sham course provider I'm aware of has ways and means of
getting places.
In about 2 weeks or so the adult education colleges will tend to have
their courses printed or a brochure put in local papers. For courses
that they are about to start and therefore ARE EMPTY UNTIL BOOKED.
Can't be full to capacity until they are booked. Even those on
jobseekers allowance have to be available to look for work, what 40
hours a week?
Adult education courses tend to be run over about 65 hours a week or
so. As they tend to be free or reduced cost for unemployed, some
people take advantage of that.
Few people will mind dropping a once a week course if they get a job
that clashes, or skipping a lesson to have an interview for a job.

Don't forget you also get money from the government.

Oh, and I'm bet you are pleased at the changes this government is
making, with payment by results (more expensive) and having fewer
prime contractors when new contracts kick in, probably next year.

Martin <><

Niteawk

2010-07-12 11:18:53 UTC