Discussion:
Ending a free ride?
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m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-20 17:12:56 UTC
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I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.

Martin <><

http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx

Ending the free ride for those who fail to take responsibility
Tuesday, April 20 2010
A Conservative government will tear up the old ways of dealing with
worklessness, which has got worse under Labour.

David Cameron will pledge to introduce a new welfare contract by the
end of 2010 – a single comprehensive Work Programme offering
unprecedented support for those looking for work, combined with new
sanctions for anyone who refuses to work.

The new welfare contract will draw on the principles of the Big
Society, backing people who do the right thing but ending the free
ride for those who fail to take responsibility. The new sanctions will
be introduced within six months of a Conservative Government taking
office.

Speaking this afternoon, David Cameron will say "the old way" of big
government has failed. "It’s time to tackle welfare dependency a new
way – the Big Society way."

"We’re going to change the whole way welfare is done in this country
so everyone takes responsibility and plays their part. This is our new
welfare contract: do the right thing and we will back you all the way.
But fail to take responsibility – and the free ride is over."

As part of our Work Programme, we will offer unprecedented support to
all those who are looking for work. We will:

make sure you get help as soon as you need it – straight away for
those really struggling to find work, and after six months if you’re
less than 25 years old;
help you start your own business by giving you access to a business
mentor and start-up loans;
create a range of business-led training places to get you started on
the road to employment, with 50,000 places in the hospitality and
leisure industry to begin with;
give you somewhere to go during the day – Work Clubs – so you can
learn skills, find opportunities, make useful contacts and provide
other people with support;
if you’re under the age of 25, provide a huge range of extra training
opportunities – 400,000 apprenticeship, training and college places
over two years;
and, pay back-to-work providers in full only if they get you into work
for a year or more.
If you can’t work and need to be paid Incapacity Benefit (IB) then we
will give you the financial support to which you are entitled. And if
you can work, and you actively look for work, we will give you
unprecedented help to find a good job.

But you must keep to your side of the bargain. We will make sure that
you are claiming the right benefits and, within six months of taking
office, we will introduce new sanctions for anyone who refuses to look
for work. We will:

cut the benefits of anyone on Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) who refuses
to join the Work Programme;
cut the benefits of anyone who refuses to take up reasonable job
offers: the first time for one month; the second time for three
months; and, the third time for up to three years;
cut benefits for up to three years for anyone caught repeatedly
committing benefit fraud.
reassess all current claimants of IB – if you are fit for work then
you will be transferred onto JSA and your benefits will be reduced;
and,
require long-term benefit claimants who fail to find work to ‘work for
the dole’ on community work programmes.
You can read the Welfare Contract in full using the document reader
below, or alternatively click here to download a copy in PDF format.
Robbie
2010-04-20 17:39:24 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
Partly the usual pre-election rhetoric
Post by m***@hotmail.com
If you can’t work and need to be paid Incapacity Benefit (IB) then we
will give you the financial support to which you are entitled. And if
you can work, and you actively look for work, we will give you
unprecedented help to find a good job.
Has anyone told them IB was abolished for all new claims from October 2008?
Post by m***@hotmail.com
reassess all current claimants of IB – if you are fit for work then
you will be transferred onto JSA and your benefits will be reduced;
This is already about to happen and was first announced well over a year
ago.

Will additional resources be given to help the long term sick who are
re-assessed under the new ESA regime? Or will their IB simply stop and
they have to claim JSA when they may not have worked for several years?
This group potentially need the biggest help of all. Especially as those
failing the ESA test are often also having their DLA arbitrarily stopped
based on the ESA medical. It's all very well the Government crowing
about cutting the amount of long term sick and bragging about how so
many are failing the new test, it's another to then help those people
who otherwise will be expected to suddenly look for 40 hours + a week
work and be travelling 1.5 hours each way to do that work at the risk of
not even getting JSA AND in some cases having DLA stopped too.
Post by m***@hotmail.com
and,
require long-term benefit claimants who fail to find work to ‘work for
the dole’ on community work programmes.
Again, already about to happen.
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Robbie
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-21 07:48:54 UTC
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On 20 Apr, 18:39, Robbie <***@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Post by Robbie
Again, already about to happen.
--
Robbie
"and, pay back-to-work providers in full only if they get you into
work
for a year or more. "

This was the bit I thought some might like, though Labour have been
talking about it for over a year.

Still, seems there is nothing new in politics. Same old same old,
regurgitated pap or copying ideas.

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-04-21 11:26:27 UTC
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I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.

Martin <><

http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx

Snip
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Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on IB
are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what the
fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go for a
good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e which we
have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the tories and
their poll tax.

Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron does.
Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you like as
most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway, or at least
that is what he thinks.

I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time, the
though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to get
everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Mike
2010-04-22 18:59:02 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?

And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??


Mike
Niteawk
2010-04-22 21:28:23 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting for
the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still have
the same old crap whoever wins the election.
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same old
tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing except
sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know means doing
nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people, its all BS.
Mike
2010-04-24 14:07:05 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people,
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!

Mike
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-24 17:01:41 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour??  I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years.  I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people,
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year.  I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.

Still, we shall see soon enough.

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-04-25 00:02:35 UTC
Permalink
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people,
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.

Still, we shall see soon enough.

Martin <><


=======================================

Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to stop
spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the shaw
trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do something
about immigration and housing if they want this to become a better country
for the people who live here.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-25 07:59:45 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people,
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin  <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to stop
spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the shaw
trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do something
about immigration and housing if they want this to become a better country
for the people who live here.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
You've just described making cuts.

And the two wars we have been involved in in the last decade are
exactly as legal as the previous two we were involved in (Bosnia and
Falklands). Excluding Korea (which was legal but hasn't yet
finished)), most of the wars Britain has been involved in for the past
300 years have been illegal.

Not sure you would want government doing something about housing, the
market will sort itself out.

Martin <><
Mike
2010-04-25 11:52:08 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its
remarkably
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or
could be
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone
he >>> is
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008,
people >>> on
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak.
And >>> what
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where
we go
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and
A4e
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid
of >>> the
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks
as >>> you
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed
anyway,
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be
enough to
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three >>
years??
Post by Niteawk
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British
people,
Post by Niteawk
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to
stop spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the
shaw trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do
something about immigration and housing if they want this to become a
better country for the people who live here.
They are cuts, but cuts YOU agree with. Personally I would start with
either doing away with many MP, the EU parliament, scottish and welsh
assemblies seem to have taken over some of the westminster roles so why
have so many MPs. Halve the number tomorrow, better still lets have an
english parliament and make wales and scotland independant. You could
populate it with english MPs and make the scots and welsh redundant.
Labour will object of course ...

I doubt cutting the schemes that A4e and other providers would make that
much differnce at Gov level and they will be protected by contracts in
the short-medium term.

Immigration is a big issue but the biggest effect has been EU countries,
who have taken a lot of jobs and therefore putting more UK residents
onthe dole. Quantifying that is difficult as they make the UK more
competative by often working harder for less.

The only way to stop tens of thousands of assylum seekers coming to the
UK is to make our housing and social security systems less attractive.
Due to left wing judges, equality and human rights laws the only way to
do that would probably be to make them less attractive for all ....

Getting rid of the HR act would facilitate rmoval of many undesirables
including foreign convicted criminals and make Cherie a lot poorer.

Mike
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-25 15:58:58 UTC
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I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its
remarkably
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Post by Mike
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similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or
could be
Post by Niteawk
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an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone
he >>> is
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Post by Mike
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going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008,
people >>> on
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
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IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak.
And >>> what
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where
we go
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and
A4e
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which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid
of >>> the
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks
as >>> you
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed
anyway,
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be
enough to
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three >>
years??
Post by Niteawk
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British
people,
Post by Niteawk
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to
stop spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the
shaw trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do
something about immigration and housing if they want this to become a
better country for the people who live here.
They are cuts, but cuts YOU agree with.   Personally I would start with
either doing away with many MP, the EU parliament, scottish and welsh
assemblies seem to have taken over some of the westminster roles so why
have so many MPs.  Halve the number tomorrow, better still lets have an
english parliament and make wales and scotland independant.  You could
populate it with english MPs and make the scots and welsh redundant.
Labour will object of course ...
I doubt cutting the schemes that A4e and other providers would make that
much differnce at Gov level and they will be protected by contracts in
the short-medium term.
Immigration is a big issue but the biggest effect has been EU countries,
who have taken a lot of jobs and therefore putting more UK residents
onthe dole.  Quantifying that is difficult as they make the UK more
competative by often working harder for less.
The only way to stop tens of thousands of assylum seekers coming to the
UK is to make our housing and social security systems less attractive.
Due to left wing judges, equality and human rights laws the only way to
do that would probably be to make them less attractive for all ....
Getting rid of the HR act would facilitate rmoval of many undesirables
including foreign convicted criminals and make Cherie a lot poorer.
Mike- Hide quoted text -
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I've been saying for years we should have an English parliament, as we
are the only part of the UK not to have one.
Having less MPs is one of the more feasible ideas I've heard in a
while - increasing constituency size wouldn't have a bad effect that I
can think of. Might need slightly more staff in parliament and in
constituency to deal with issues but overall a reduction in
staffing....
Not sure about the HR act, you tend to hear only the negative aspects
(positive uses aren't as newsworthy). Still, could be looked into by
people who have the time and resources.

Martin <><

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-04-25 19:51:41 UTC
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I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its
remarkably
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or
could be
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone
he >>> is
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008,
people >>> on
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak.
And >>> what
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where
we go
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and
A4e
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid
of >>> the
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks
as >>> you
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed
anyway,
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be
enough to
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three >>
years??
Post by Niteawk
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British
people,
Post by Niteawk
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to
stop spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the
shaw trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do
something about immigration and housing if they want this to become a
better country for the people who live here.
They are cuts, but cuts YOU agree with. Personally I would start with
either doing away with many MP, the EU parliament, scottish and welsh
assemblies seem to have taken over some of the westminster roles so why
have so many MPs. Halve the number tomorrow, better still lets have an
english parliament and make wales and scotland independant. You could
populate it with english MPs and make the scots and welsh redundant.
Labour will object of course ...
Getting rid of waste is not the same as making cuts, it means they will have
more money to spend on services we actually need. For eg; you have x amount
of income to spend each week, if you go into a bookies and blow the lot,
thats you done. You have to dip into savings or borrow money to make ends
meet. It is the same with the government, they waste money on crap we do not
need and then try to save by making cuts to essential services.
Post by Mike
I doubt cutting the schemes that A4e and other providers would make that
much differnce at Gov level and they will be protected by contracts in the
short-medium term.
Getting rid of something we do not need would be a step in the right
direction, New Deal and its providers cost more to run than what is paid out
in benefits.
Making people like Emma Harrison multi millionaires out of tax payers money
for doing nothing is criminal IMO.
Post by Mike
Immigration is a big issue but the biggest effect has been EU countries,
who have taken a lot of jobs and therefore putting more UK residents onthe
dole. Quantifying that is difficult as they make the UK more competative
by often working harder for less.
If the UK is so competitive why are we in this mess, the fact is immigration
has made things worse for everyone, the input is far outweighed by the
impact they are having on our services like hospitals, schools and social
housing plus a fair proportion of them are serious criminals.
Post by Mike
The only way to stop tens of thousands of assylum seekers coming to the UK
is to make our housing and social security systems less attractive. Due to
left wing judges, equality and human rights laws the only way to do that
would probably be to make them less attractive for all ....
The simple way to stop them is say, sorry no room at the inn, we are full.
Post by Mike
Getting rid of the HR act would facilitate rmoval of many undesirables
including foreign convicted criminals and make Cherie a lot poorer.
They do not have to get rid of it, they have practically made it unworkable
in a lot of cases by adding conditions to it. For eg you can not get away
with saying what you like in public.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-27 10:40:21 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
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Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its
remarkably
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or
could be
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone
he >>> is
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008,
people >>> on
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak.
And >>> what
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where
we go
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and
A4e
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid
of >>> the
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks
as >>> you
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed
anyway,
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be
enough to
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three >>
years??
Post by Niteawk
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British
people,
Post by Niteawk
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to
stop spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the
shaw trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do
something about immigration and housing if they want this to become a
better country for the people who live here.
They are cuts, but cuts YOU agree with.   Personally I would start with
either doing away with many MP, the EU parliament, scottish and welsh
assemblies seem to have taken over some of the westminster roles so why
have so many MPs.  Halve the number tomorrow, better still lets have an
english parliament and make wales and scotland independant.  You could
populate it with english MPs and make the scots and welsh redundant.
Labour will object of course ...
Getting rid of waste is not the same as making cuts, it means they will have
more money to spend on services we actually need. For eg; you have x amount
of income to spend each week, if you go into a bookies and blow the lot,
thats you done. You have to dip into savings or borrow money to make ends
meet. It is the same with the government, they waste money on crap we do not
need and then try to save by making cuts to essential services.
I doubt cutting the schemes that A4e and other providers would make that
much differnce at Gov level and they will be protected by contracts in the
short-medium term.
Getting rid of something we do not need would be a step in the right
direction, New Deal and its providers cost more to run than what is paid out
in benefits.
Making people like Emma Harrison multi millionaires out of tax payers money
for doing nothing is criminal IMO.
Immigration is a big issue but the biggest effect has been EU countries,
who have taken a lot of jobs and therefore putting more UK residents onthe
dole.  Quantifying that is difficult as they make the UK more competative
by often working harder for less.
If the UK is so competitive why are we in this mess, the fact is immigration
has made things worse for everyone, the input is far outweighed by the
impact they are having on our services like hospitals, schools and social
housing plus a fair proportion of them are serious criminals.
The only way to stop tens of thousands of assylum seekers coming to the UK
is to make our housing and social security systems less attractive. Due to
left wing judges, equality and human rights laws the only way to do that
would probably be to make them less attractive for all ....
The simple way to stop them is say, sorry no room at the inn, we are full.
Getting rid of the HR act would facilitate rmoval of many undesirables
including foreign convicted criminals and make Cherie a lot poorer.
They do not have to get rid of it, they have practically made it unworkable
in a lot of cases by adding conditions to it. For eg you can not get away
with saying what you like in public.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure, go ahead, break existing contracts. Be expensive, and will give
a fortune away for no benefit whatsoever.
But go ahead.

Getting rid of waste is making cuts, what you consider waste another
may consider essential. Trident, the new Navy aircraft carriers, the
RAF, benefits, housing benefit, tax credits, expenses, tax allowances
- all are seen as wasteful by some people.

If the HR act is so unworkable, how come there seems to be regular
media articles about it being used successfully by people still?

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-04-27 12:58:41 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by m***@hotmail.com
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its
remarkably
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or
could be
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_fre...
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone
he >>> is
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008,
people >>> on
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak.
And >>> what
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where
we go
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and
A4e
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid
of >>> the
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks
as >>> you
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed
anyway,
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be
enough to
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to
agree, I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in
20+ years. I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no
chance of winning just to send a small message.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three >>
years??
Post by Niteawk
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British
people,
Post by Niteawk
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
Mike- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
About the only thing any new government pretty much must do is cut
spending and raise income. Its own income, not yours or mine.
Unpopular straight away maybe (almost certainly), but with 5 years in
power they can take a couple of years to 'sort out Labour screw ups'
or 'bring the economy back into growth', depending who gets in.
Still, we shall see soon enough.
Martin <><
=======================================
Pie in the sky nonsense, they do not need to make cuts. They need to
stop spending it on useless employment scams like new deal and A4e, the
shaw trust who attack the sick, stop illegal wars and they need to do
something about immigration and housing if they want this to become a
better country for the people who live here.
They are cuts, but cuts YOU agree with. Personally I would start with
either doing away with many MP, the EU parliament, scottish and welsh
assemblies seem to have taken over some of the westminster roles so why
have so many MPs. Halve the number tomorrow, better still lets have an
english parliament and make wales and scotland independant. You could
populate it with english MPs and make the scots and welsh redundant.
Labour will object of course ...
Getting rid of waste is not the same as making cuts, it means they will have
more money to spend on services we actually need. For eg; you have x amount
of income to spend each week, if you go into a bookies and blow the lot,
thats you done. You have to dip into savings or borrow money to make ends
meet. It is the same with the government, they waste money on crap we do not
need and then try to save by making cuts to essential services.
I doubt cutting the schemes that A4e and other providers would make that
much differnce at Gov level and they will be protected by contracts in the
short-medium term.
Getting rid of something we do not need would be a step in the right
direction, New Deal and its providers cost more to run than what is paid out
in benefits.
Making people like Emma Harrison multi millionaires out of tax payers money
for doing nothing is criminal IMO.
Immigration is a big issue but the biggest effect has been EU countries,
who have taken a lot of jobs and therefore putting more UK residents onthe
dole. Quantifying that is difficult as they make the UK more competative
by often working harder for less.
If the UK is so competitive why are we in this mess, the fact is immigration
has made things worse for everyone, the input is far outweighed by the
impact they are having on our services like hospitals, schools and social
housing plus a fair proportion of them are serious criminals.
The only way to stop tens of thousands of assylum seekers coming to the UK
is to make our housing and social security systems less attractive. Due to
left wing judges, equality and human rights laws the only way to do that
would probably be to make them less attractive for all ....
The simple way to stop them is say, sorry no room at the inn, we are full.
Getting rid of the HR act would facilitate rmoval of many undesirables
including foreign convicted criminals and make Cherie a lot poorer.
They do not have to get rid of it, they have practically made it unworkable
in a lot of cases by adding conditions to it. For eg you can not get away
with saying what you like in public.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Sure, go ahead, break existing contracts. Be expensive, and will give
a fortune away for no benefit whatsoever.
But go ahead.

Getting rid of waste is making cuts, what you consider waste another
may consider essential. Trident, the new Navy aircraft carriers, the
RAF, benefits, housing benefit, tax credits, expenses, tax allowances
- all are seen as wasteful by some people.

If the HR act is so unworkable, how come there seems to be regular
media articles about it being used successfully by people still?

Martin <><


The HR is not completely unworkable, for every one that succeeds, after many
years of legal wrangling I might add, thousands more fail because the
government fights them all the way. They do not like laws that give people
rights that they do not want them to have, this is one of many excuses they
use as to why we should leave the EU, too bloody late mate, we are full to
bursting with immigrants, there is no point in bolting the stable door after
the horse has bolted.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-27 20:29:06 UTC
Permalink
On 27 Apr, 13:58, "Niteawk" <***@btinternet.com> wrote:
<snipped>
Post by Niteawk
The HR is not completely unworkable, for every one that succeeds, after many
years of legal wrangling I might add, thousands more fail because the
government fights them all the way. They do not like laws that give people
rights that they do not want them to have, this is one of many excuses they
use as to why we should leave the EU, too bloody late mate, we are full to
bursting with immigrants, there is no point in bolting the stable door after
the horse has bolted.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
As to whether leaving the EU would be a good thing - thats a different
matter.
Still, thats for the government to decide.

Martin <><
Niteawk
2010-04-24 23:54:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
Post by m***@hotmail.com
I daresay Niteawk will like this, not sure others will. Its remarkably
similar in parts to what at least one other party has been saying.
No guarantees they will get in with a majority to push all this
through, so could be simply pie in the sky, could be simply an
election promise (and we should know what they are worth). Or could be
an idea that will be pushed through in full.
Martin <><
http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2010/04/Ending_the_free_ride_for_those_who_fail_to_take_responsibility.aspx
Snip
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Cameron is living in a bubble, the fkin idiot is telling everyone he is
going to introduce the ESA regime we have had since Oct 2008, people on
IB are losing benefit through failing ESA medicals as we speak. And what
the fuck is a "work club" does he mean "working mens club" where we go
for a good piss up or is he talking about introducing New Deal and A4e
which we have had for the last 10 years or more, since we got rid of the
tories and their poll tax.
Any brain dead jobseeker knows more about unemployment than Cameron
does. Then again that is politics for you, talk as much bollocks as you
like as most people do not know what happens to the unemployed anyway,
or at least that is what he thinks.
I have not voted for years but I am going to make sure I vote this time,
the though of that silly cunt winning the election should be enough to
get everyone who is unemployed out to vote.
Why are you assuming all unemployed people wish to remain so by voting
for the status quo?
Well I suppose it makes no difference who they vote for, we will still
have the same old crap whoever wins the election.
So then why call for the unemployed to vote labour?? I do tend to agree,
I am seriously thinking about not voting for the first time in 20+ years.
I'm even tempted to vote for something radical that has no chance of
winning just to send a small message.
I think you assume I am asking the unemployed to vote Labour, I would not
vote for a party that is responsible for creating sham work courses because
they are incapable of creating real jobs. Neither party is any good IMO.
Just for a laugh I read the Conservative and Labour election leaflets "Vote
for the change we need on Thursday 6 May". and Labours "Building a fairer
future" It is a load of meaningless rubbish, "giving back power" what
power? "backing the NHS" WTF is that about? Labour wants to give us free
swimming for under 16's and over 60's Between them they have not got a fkin
clue. As usual they shy away from making any real commitments or promises,
prefering instead to talk in the abstract. I certainly will vote for change
on 6 May, anyone who is not a Conservative or Labour party candidate will
get my vote.
Post by Niteawk
Post by Mike
And how have you failed to notice that labour has introduced the same
old tired ideas with a fanfare and a new name every two or three years??
What same old ideas, from what I can see they have introduced nothing
except sham courses. They talk about training, which as we all know
means doing nothing on A4e courses, and British jobs for British people,
its all BS.
Labour have introduced 'new deal', sham courses and 'crackdowns' almost
every year. I doubt any new gov will be much different!!
How could I not fail to notice when I have been trapped by the system for
the last 10 years. At least it proves my theory, you can't force people to
take any old job, that is never going to work, no pun intended. It is like
being told by police to move on when you are sitting outside your own block
of flats. It is not going to happen, people resent that level of intrusion
and the stubborness of human nature kicks in.

I think a new government will make a difference as long as it is not Lab or
Con. But as we all know it is going to be one or the other so nothing will
change. I had to laugh though at the cons pledge to freeze council tax rises
for 2 years for pensioners, the milk of human kindness runneth over. Seeing
as it was them who introduced this BS tax, the very least they should do is
scrap it for pensioners.
m***@hotmail.com
2010-04-25 07:53:22 UTC
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Post by Niteawk
I think a new government will make a difference as long as it is not Lab or
Con. But as we all know it is going to be one or the other so nothing will
change. I had to laugh though at the cons pledge to freeze council tax rises
for 2 years for pensioners, the milk of human kindness runneth over. Seeing
as it was them who introduced this BS tax, the very least they should do is
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Oh they could scrap it for pensioners quite easily.
You don't mind having to pay an extra £1,000 a year for council tax do
you?
Thats pay, not have council tax benefit cover it.

Or how about a cut in your weekly benefit of £20 a week to cover the
payments government would have to add to local authority to cover the
money that pensioners had been paying?

Martin <><
Mike
2010-04-28 19:26:55 UTC
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Post by m***@hotmail.com
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kicks in.
Post by Niteawk
I think a new government will make a difference as long as it is not Lab or
Con. But as we all know it is going to be one or the other so nothing will
change. I had to laugh though at the cons pledge to freeze council tax rises
for 2 years for pensioners, the milk of human kindness runneth over. Seeing
as it was them who introduced this BS tax, the very least they should do is
scrap it for pensioners.- Hide quoted text -
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Oh they could scrap it for pensioners quite easily.
You don't mind having to pay an extra £1,000 a year for council tax do
you?
Thats pay, not have council tax benefit cover it.
Or how about a cut in your weekly benefit of £20 a week to cover the
payments government would have to add to local authority to cover the
money that pensioners had been paying?
Martin<><
In niteawks world money simply appears every two weeks ....

Mike

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